Satan is Not Self-Existent 

Questions and Answers

      Q1. To re-establish God’s absolute holiness: So that when people ask themselves: “Where do evil spirits come from?”, they will be alerted to the fact that the Holy Spirit and the evil spirit should never be said to come from the same source! The Holy Spirit, who is absolutely good, cannot produce an evil spirit, which is wholly wicked; neither is it possible that the appearance of Satan has anything to do with God. However, according to the traditional view of the origin of Satan, all things have only one source, namely, the Creator and True God. In other words, the most Holy True God is also the initial source of all things, including evil spirits, Satan and lies! This is contrary to the statement “in [God] is no darkness at all” (1 Jn. 1:5). The only way to resolve this issue is to exclude Satan’s existence from God’s creation, thus completely separating him from God.

      A1. We begin by questioning the assertion that to accept that 'God has to be the evil spirit's source is to go against the nature of God: for there is no evil in Him’ (1 Jn. 1:5). Clearly, God is the source of man, evil or good. Thus, is it not true that acknowledging God as being the source of an evil man is to go against the nature of God: for there is no evil in Him?

      We believe that God is the maker of all things on the basis of John 1:3: "All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made". Now, we distinguish between source and maker with the following example. Consider the statement: 'If the broken pot is not self-existent, then the potter has to be its source’. If we take similarly as self-evident the statement: 'All pots were made by the potter', can we logically deduce then that the potter made a broken pot? Certainly not! No, the logical certainties are that the potter made the pot, and the potter is the source of the broken pot, but the potter did not make a broken pot. In the same way, the logical certainties from the first statement and John 1:3 are that God made the spirit but did NOT make the evil spirit.

      Thus, to say that 'God has to be the evil spirit's source’ implies that it goes against the nature of God: for there is no evil in Him (1 Jn. 1:5)' is wrong because one would then have to assume that God made the spirit evil in the first place. To allow for the supposed logical deduction, one must assume that the evil spirit in question has not changed in his existence in rebellion from its time of creation to its current state. That exactly is not what we have preached all along. This is what we have preached: God made the spirit. He made him good. However, he chose wickedness (He sinned from the beginning). This teaching does not go against the nature of God: for there is no evil in Him (1 Jn. 1:5)'. This teaching follows logically from John 1:3.

      Q2. To re-establish God’s absolute love for His children: The Lord said: “They hated Me without a cause”, “He who hates Me hates My Father also”, “It hated Me before it hated you”, “Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you” (Jn 15:18-25). Therefore, Satan’s hatred towards God’s children derives from Satan himself. It is inevitable that the saints meet with Satan’s attacks (for they are no longer of Satan). The encounters between the saints and Satan are “wars” (initiated by Satan); it is erroneous to say that God tries the saints through Satan (who hates even God) (Satan is passive in this case). If we think about it, Satan hates God the Father; why would he then listen to God? The Bible clearly records that Satan is God’s enemy, so why would God use His enemy to try His own children, whom He has purchased with His precious blood through much suffering? Our compassionate God would never use His enemy, Satan, who hates Him and is absolutely evil, to fulfill His great love for His children! On the contrary, our Father has sacrificed His life to deliver His children from the dominion of Satan, and has protected them from the corrupting power of the evil one with His precious blood!

      A2. We do not believe that God makes use of Satan to train up His people in a way that a person would invite his friend to help accomplish a task for him.  For a start, it has never been the view of the church that God uses Satan to achieve His purpose. Rather, when Satan tries to disrupt the work of God, His will triumphs on an elevated level. For example, the intention of Satan to crucify Jesus was to destroy Him, but through His death God's plan to save was achieved at His resurrection.

      'Trying the faith of the saints by Satan' is an incomplete notion that lacks elaboration and clarification. It purports to portray Satan as being a tool of God existing in a regimental relationship between a soldier and his commander, with a task to perfect the faith of the saints. This alternative view struggles in its naiveté to make a dent in the common understanding that God can make use of situations, such as the one in Job, to advance His purpose on His servant at the cost of Satan's scheme to destroy him.

      God's will is always higher than that of any other who exists or that has existed, be it earthly or heavenly. Whatever He sets out to do, He would bring it to pass (Isa 14:27; 43:13; 45:23; 48:3; 55:11). Though, on the earthly plane, at times, it may appear that His will is thwarted by some unfortunate events, human weaknesses and sins, yet He would still accomplish it (Ps 33:9-11; Jb. 23:13-14; Dan 4:35). One example is Joseph (Ps 105:17). This fact also proves that His covenant with Abraham would never fail (Ps 105:8-12). No one can resist His will, not even Satan (Jb. 9:12; Rm. 9:19). When one fails to see how God's purpose can triumph, one can take consolation in the knowledge that there are always different dimensions to the will of God.

      Whenever man strays away from, or sins against God, he gives ground to Satan to work (Gen 4:7; 1 Jn. 3:21). For this reason, this world of sin is under the sway of Satan (1 Jn. 5:19). Elder John states that Satan is an accuser who accuses us before God day and night (Rev 12:10). Today, he can no longer do so because of the atoning blood of Jesus, through which we are cleansed (Rev 12:11). In a normal circumstance, the evil one could not touch us (1 Jn. 5:18). However, if we live in sin, God will return us to the devices of the evil one. Restraint on Satan or protection on us is thus removed. In this way, Satan could bring harm to our spiritual lives (1 Cor. 5:5; 1 Tim 1:20). Judas and the couple Ananias and Sapphire are such examples.

      The heavenly rules governing the operation between God and Satan are sometimes beyond our comprehension. The story of Job is a good example. The Lord Himself prompted the exchanges with Satan regarding Job.

      There is a limit to our understanding of God's wisdom (Isa 40:28; Ps 147:5). We speak what the Bible teaches. For example, Satan sinned from the beginning, for he was proud. This is a truthful statement. However, there are things the Bible does not talk about. For example, God created the universe to defeat Satan. This claim is unbiblical.

      Q3. To re-establish the everlasting sovereignty of God and His boundless omniscience and omnipotence: The self-existence of Satan does not put him on an equal footing with God (Dualism), neither does it mean that he is able to exist forever! To define God’s omniscience and omnipotence by such statements as: “Before the creation, God must have known that this light bulb would blow tonight” is to trivialize God and is utterly meaningless! The boundless omniscience and omnipotence of God concerns the spiritual realm: He can destroy even Satan who is self-existent (1.5 monism) and cast him into the fiery lake! Imagine, if the Creator “only” has to overcome created beings who have sinned, why would He need to be “omniscient” and “omnipotent”? Even a three-year-old child can easily destroy the things he has created, can he not? Compare the two statements: “God overcame the angel who sinned (or the created being who sinned)” and “God overcame Satan, who was self-existent”. Which statement manifests better the absolute omniscience and omnipotence of God? As for God’s incomparable and eternal sovereignty, that has been completely revealed through the process of creation and the destruction of His enemies (cf. Is 41:25-26; 46:9-11; 1 Cor. 15:24-26; Rev 20:10-15).

      A3. ‘Satan does not have an equal footing with God’ is inherently flawed if Satan is self-existent. First, being able to self-derive existence like God puts Satan to be on par with the infinity of God. The erroneousness of the theory further complicates itself when it is suggested that Satan being a self-existent being has been destroyed or defeated by an another self-existent being, namely, the Lord God.  The reason is that a self-existent being cannot be destroyed. Also, there is no reason for two unrelated or independent self-existent beings to fight against one another to a bitter end. After all, there is nothing common between them.

      The Bible teaches that God has counted all the stars (Ps. 147:4; Isa. 40:26) and has also numbered our hair (Mt.10:30; Lk. 12:7). Are these too trivial a thing for God to know? Not only it tells us that He is very mindful of His creation, but also, He is omniscient. To use “before the creation, God must have known that this light bulb would blow tonight” is to blur the point of God knowing beforehand that His creation would sin.

      Omniscience and omnipotence are the intrinsic nature of the Lord. For God to know that His creatures would sin, does not in any way reduce His infinity. It all the more shows that He is the only self-existent God, which is in line with the teaching of the Bible (Isa. 45:5-6).

      Q4. To explain God’s plan of creation: God had prepared Christ even before the creation of the world, for the purpose of destroying the works of Satan (1 Jn. 3:8). This shows that Satan’s works were already in existence before God’s creation. Since this was so, his existence was unrelated to any of the things created by God; he can only have been self-existent. Furthermore, all things were created through Him and for Him; therefore, there is a definite relationship between God’s creation and the destruction of Satan. The moment God called forth light from the darkness, He overcame Satan, the ruler of darkness! When Satan is thrown into the lake of fire, the first creation will have completed her task and will pass away. A new heaven and a new earth, where death is no more, will then come down from heaven.

      A4We now turn to explain the incarnation of Christ to destroy the works of Satan (1 Jn 3:8), as the recent interpretation of this phrase seems to be a key plank in the new belief. First, the claim to back up this new teaching is that the existence of Satan has nothing to do with God. There is an underlying internal contradiction in this belief. If there is nothing between the two self-existing beings, then why should there be an ongoing war between them. If they had co-existed in the eternal past, then is there a need to get rid of one another? More seriously, is that what the Bible teaches?

      Looking at the statement of John carefully, we see that he has not written of things or works beyond the scope of human existence. The focus of the passage is the need to be rid of sin in man's relationship with God, with a reference to what had happened to Satan serving as a warning to us not to tread on his path: 'Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God' (1 Jn. 3:4-9).

      Here, John is talking about two modes of existence. One is of God and the other Satan. He teaches that to sin is to be disobedient to God (i.e. God's law), which is one key message of the passage. In this context, the works of Satan are those that cause humankind to sin, works beginning with the Tragic Event in the Garden of Eden. It takes a wild stretch of the imagination to read that John was writing about the works of Satan against God on the same footing of existence by linking with the phrase 'the devil has sinned from the beginning'. The idea of Christ having manifested does not occur in verse 8 alone. It is first stated in verse 5, which qualifies and sets the perimeter for the explaining of verse 8. Undoubtedly, the works are concerned with those that trap us to sin, and these are what Satan has devised. God's incarnation is intended to take away sin (works of Satan). If Christ had not come, then there would not have been salvation for us.

      The advice John gives is that we can be victors over sins. He is saying that we can do it, for we are given the capacity to remain good in Jesus Christ, if we submissively allow His seed (word) to remain in us (1 Jn. 3:9). Truly, unlike Satan, with the practice of righteousness, we can make a gaping difference. John says Satan sinned from the beginning, meaning at one point in the expanse of the beginning (Gen. 1:1), he chose to deviate from the path of righteousness, the order that God had set for all in the realm of the Spirit. Satan was the first one to go against God.

      In his pride, Satan overestimates himself and always thinks that he can get the better of God. Satan is utterly wicked and self-deceived. The first lie he told was to himself - that he was better than God: 'You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own resources for he is a liar, and the father of it' (Jn. 8:44). Here, John not only speaks of the stubborn rebellion of the Jews, he also most crucially exposes the works of Satan to deceive human beings with lies, which have drawn them away from listening to God (Jn. 8:45-47). With regard to human beings, this is what Satan has been doing since the creation of the Garden of Eden. Jesus does not in any sense imply Satan is self-existent.

      Q5. To clarify concepts within the faith: Since the Lord has taught us to pray that “[His] will be done on earth as it is in heaven”, we cannot say that all things that happen on earth are in accordance with the will of God. Because if everything, whether good or bad, takes place according to the will of God, there would be no need for us to ask that God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven! Moreover, since it is said that God claims victory over Satan “in the end”; we cannot claim that Satan is completely controlled by God “now”, for why would God need to battle against Satan and destroy him if he were already under God’s control?

      A5The confusion here is that this part of the Scripture is for man to abide to. That is why Jesus taught His disciples how to pray. This should not be placed upon the shoulder of God. Man should learn to pray in such a way that His way is to be fulfilled in life, more so in His church. It is not about if His will can come to pass or not on earth. It is about the duty of man toward God, i.e., to realise His will. Ponder over the prayer of Jesus before His crucifixion, "Father, if it is your will, remove this cup from me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours to be done" (Lk 22:42). Jesus learned to be obedient in His prayer to God's will, to become the author of salvation to those who believe (Heb. 5:7f). Why confuse such a wonderful piece of teaching, and tie it into the self-existence of Satan.

      A prayer that reaches God is one that focuses on fulfilling His will on the part of every single believer and the church. Upon doing His will, His Kingdom will surely be established. This is the crux of the Lord's Prayer. To do that, one must be concerned over three aspects of life. First, the issue of daily bread must not become one that prevents one from drawing close to God. For that purpose, Jesus says, 'Seek first His Kingdom and righteousness, and the rest shall be added unto us' (Mt 6:33). Second, it is about our dealings with others. Forgiveness must become the forefront of our relationship with one another, just as Christ has also forgiven us. Third, one must be aware of the snare of temptation, not to be captured by the evil one.

      Q6. To distinguish clearly between God and Satan, holiness and wickedness: God had purposed to destroy the works of Satan even before the creation (1 Jn 3:8). However, going by the traditional ideas of Christianity, it appears that God works closely with Satan and often needs Satan to accomplish His divine work (the testing and salvation of the believers). It also seems as though God never rejects any of Satan’s requests. Just look at the people of the world - all they do and think about daily is evil. Now if this were to be measured according to the criterion that ‘unless God is willing, Satan will accomplish nothing’, then God must give Satan permission over a hundred million times a day to go ahead and entice the whole world into thinking and acting evil! This strongly contradicts the truth: “What fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness; what communion has light with darkness; and what accord has Christ with Belial (another name for Satan)?”

      A6The traditional belief does not advocate that God works closely with Satan. This is an assumption intended to downgrade the reliability of the teaching of the church. We believe that, sometimes, God can make use of situations in which Satan works to triumph over him and to reveal the higher purpose of God. Cases include Joseph, Jesus and the Smyrna Church.

      The people of the world are in sin. They are under the control of the evil one. (Eph. 2:1-3). This is a natural consequence of being in sin. They give themselves over to the wicked one to work feverishly in their hearts.  This has nothing to do with God. On the contrary, those who are in God, Satan does not touch them (1 Jn. 5:18).

      The problem here is not with the traditional belief of the church. Quite clearly, it is the problem with the proponents of the self-existence of Satan. Without a shadow of doubt, the confusion here is the result of wandering away from the right path.

      Q7. Fallen angels are bound and therefore cannot freely move about let alone going round deceiving humanity (Jude 6; 2 Pet 2:4).

      A7. ‘Being bound’ here is very different from a physical bondage, in which a person is deprived of the freedom of movement – being chained, shackled or imprisoned. A careful reading of the two passages in Jude and 2 Peter reveals that darkness itself is a form of chain. The sinning angels were in darkness, as opposed to being in the sphere of light with God. An existence in sin that is away from God is bondage in itself.

      Before the deluge of the flood came, we are told that Jesus went and preached to the spirits in prison (1 Pet. 3:18). However, when reading through the story of Noah, it is quite clear that the people then were free to move about and do what they desired to do physically. In this case, they were not restrained in sinning against God. But, in the eyes of God, they were in prison because they lived in sin.

      Likewise, this sinful world (the Great Babylon) is described as the dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit and a cage for every unclean and hated bird (Rev. 18:2). It is a prison or a cage for the evil one and his allies because this world is filled with sin, away from the presence of God. This does not mean that they cannot harm those who live in sin (cf. Eph. 2:1ff). In reality, sinful believers are given to the devises of the wicked one, since the entire world is under its sway (1 Jn. 5:19).

      Q8. How can God being completely righteous create a being (an angel) that He knew right before its creation it would sin?

      A8. Does God’s foreknowledge of an angel, who would sin before it was created, make God unrighteous? Does it make God evil because He has created an angel that is capable of sinning? Not at all! He is in heaven; He can do what He pleases (Ps. 115:3; 135:6). Can we question God because He has destroyed the entire world in the time of Noah, and saved only eight souls (Gen 7:21-23)? Perceiving this episode with human reasoning would surely make God the cruellest of perpetrators. He is far worse than those who have committed carnage and massacre. In particular, He is deemed far more brutal than Hitler who committed genocide against the Jews during the Second World War. For the Lord God wiped out virtually the entire human race during the flood, apart from delivering a negligible few.

      The created beings of God are created with a capacity to decide what is right and wrong. The entire Bible talks about ‘human actions come with accountability’. That is why Paul says that it is disobedience on the part of Adam that has caused man to plunge into sin (Rom. 5:17ff). Likewise, it is the problem of sinning that the fallen angels have entangled themselves with from the beginning (cf. 1 Jn. 3:8; Jude 6; 2 Pet 2:4). They failed to keep their proper domain, but left their own abode (Jude 6).

      Q9. If angels had sinned without being tempted in the first place, the possibility of any being, be they angels or us, sinning again after we have gained entry into the Kingdom, is highly probable.

      A9. Revelation talks about a third of the stars being thrown down from heavens when the dragon wags its tail (Rev. 12:4; Dan. 8:10). The stars assumedly refer to angelic beings (servants of God) and workers. However, there are records in the Bible that state that there is an angel, namely the cherub who sinned on account of becoming self-exalted because of its own beauty (Ezek. 28:17). He was perfect in his ways from the day he was created, till iniquity was found in him (Ezek. 28:15). The Bible does not talk about this angel being tempted by an external force.

      The same self-exaltation of a day star (an angelic being) is well documented in Isaiah. The intention is clear: he wanted to be like the Most High. This is pride at its highest order (Isa. 14:13-14). He therefore fell from heaven (Isa. 14:12). Quite clearly, there is no mention of external forces causing him to fall.

      Jesus was a sinless person, and yet, He learned to submit to God through trials. He could have sinned if He had not obeyed God.  He was a good Man, but to become perfect, He had to pass the test of God (Heb. 5:6ff). He has become the author of faith to those who follow His footsteps after He suffered (after He became perfect). Likewise, after we have become perfect we will not sin again (1 Jn. 3:9).

      Revelation paints a vivid picture of those who have overcome (become victorious over) death; sin shall have no part in them ever again. This simply means the victorious saints have become perfect, and shall not sin against God in any situation (Rev. 21:3f).  When one has attained perfection, it rules out all possibilities for him to sin in any situation after life as well.

      Likewise, angels, who have been through and passed the trials and tests, shall never fall into sin. The reason is that they have learned to be obedient. Paul says that once the perfect has come, all things shall submit under the mighty power of God (1 Cor. 15:28).

      Q10. Satan can strike against God’s people at will and he is not under the control of God.

      A10. Since God is much superior to Satan, surely he cannot strike God’s people at will. There are two situations that Satan may strike at God’s people. First, God allows Satan to do so, such as in the example of Job.

      a.       God struck up a conversation with Satan first; hinting a challenge on Job was imminent, and asking Satan to have a good look at him who was so blameless and righteous (1:6-8).

      b.      Again, God started up some exchanges with Satan on the second occasion. The incitement (2:3) is the result of Satan challenging God to stretch out His hand against Job in their first encounter (Job 1:11), which does not in any sense point to Satan being the initiator of the whole affair over Job, nor does it indicate Satan can strike at will at God's chosen ones.

      c.       The overlapping of God's permission with the work of Satan to inflict Job is inseparable: “But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!" So the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person." So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD (1:10-11).

      d.      In the second round of attack, the scene takes on the same sequence: “But stretch out Your hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will surely curse You to Your face!" And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, he is in your hand, but spare his life." (2:5-6).

      e.       'So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD, and struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head (2:7)'. In this instant, clearly, it was Satan who smote Job with loathsome boils.

      f.       God has a full control over Satan. Otherwise the writer would not have said Job's suffering originated from the Lord (42:11).

      Second, when a believer fails to keep himself in the Lord, he shall surely be attacked by the wicked one (1 Jn. 5:18; Ps. 91:4).

      Q11. Some claim that the theory of the self-existence of Satan does not in any way propose Satan is equal to God.

      A11. The proponents of the theory try to cover up the trail of making Satan being equal to God by saying that Satan is self-existent but not eternal. Simply, God shall defeat and throw him to hell. In a way, this theory suggests that God is greater than He has been, if He has merely defeated a Satan who came from a fallen angel. They claim that the victory here is over a self-existing foe. The contradiction here cannot be greater and is evidently clear. On one hand, they are saying that Satan is not equal to God. On the other hand, they cannot do away with the premise that Satan is self-existent.

      "I am the LORD, there is no other; there is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have known Me, that they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting that there is none besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other" (Isa 45 5-6). The Lord unreservedly declares that He alone is self-existent. Since this is proceeded out from the mouth of the Lord, then how is Satan self-existent? It is equal to saying that what God has said about Himself is wrong. Or more seriously, it amounts to saying that God is lying.

      Q12. Some claim that having studied the self-existence of Satan their faith has increased tremendously.

      A12. As the theory has proposed, the universe is the battleground, a meeting point between good and evil, the crime framed upon God could not be greater. Since He is the Creator, He has to create or to programme man in His likeness to sin. This, it seems, is inevitable. Otherwise, there would not have been the coming of Christ to die for our sins, ultimately to destroy Satan and his works. The theory leads to an inconceivable conclusion: God, though absolutely good, as the Bible teaches, has now become a God who planned to allow Satan to infiltrate His creation. He has directly conceived and manipulated it to be so.

      Where is the love of God? How could He say He loved the world so much that He sent His only begotten Son to the world (Jn. 3:16)? How could Paul say that God demonstrated His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us (Rm. 5:8)? His death is nothing more than a show of crocodile tears. This makes God to be one with ill predetermination to achieve what He has in mind at all cost. How can man, in particular those who have been called, be valued important in His eyes? So, what the Bible teaches about how mindful He is toward us (Ps 8:4; 115:12; 144:3; Heb. 2:6) is nothing but a heap of lies.

      If that is the case, then where is God's righteousness? He has planned for corruption to occur in human existence. Without which He cannot defeat Satan. Why does He call Himself a holy God? The contradiction continues in a more scary degree, if we look at His command, which He, through the Bible, repeatedly instructs us to stay clear of sin, to live a righteous life, making it a must for one to have a share in His Kingdom. What is the point of doing that? Most sadly of all, why should He judge us, when we fail to live up to His expectation, something that He has planned for? This is shocking.

      Human responsibility cannot be made accountable, as to a certain extent it has been pre-determined: a fixed direction has been programmed in man so that corruption could creep in somehow, sooner or later. Does it not appear nonsensical and hypocritical for God to prepare a skin garment each for Adam and Eve? Our existence is reduced to nothing more than a tool God has introduced to defeat Satan only. Should it break in the process, He can use another. Once broken, the condemnation here is eternal. How can we possibly perceive the justice and righteousness of God in the entire episode of heaven and earth? Is this the God whom we want to believe in?